Jim Nance on Habits, Peptides, and Slowing the Aging Clock

Nicki Benvenuti:0:00
so for people who are meeting you for the first time um how do you describe what you do and um what you're most focused on right now?

Jim Nance:0:06
So uh my name is Jim Nance. Uh I'm a partner 50% partner with uh Steve Scalanka on a company called Endless Vitality. Endless Vitality is a licensed outpatient treatment center. We're in Tempe, Arizona. Uh we came into business in the HRT space. We've since moved into peptides and now we have uh progressed into functional medicine. So we help people make stackable habit changes in their life along with providing guidance on uh supplementation, peptides and and hormone optimization to help uh live a better fuller life. You know we we focus on fighting things like chronic inflammation, insulin resistance and mitochondrial function issues. So, kind of the um the aging process does a real real number on people, but if you can make some slight adjustments to your routine, you can um kind of optimize that and not have to uh get old so fast, I guess, for lack of a better way of putting it.

Nicki Benvenuti:1:10
And we'll definitely want to get into which peptides are, you know, flying off the shelves right now. But, um let's talk about your career. So, how did you get into this line of work in the first place?

Jim Nance:1:18
Well, I um I was at I went to Indiana University Business School out of out of high school. So, my my degrees in finance, so I was a mortgage banker for 25 years. I was going to a clinic similar to to ours, not quite as advanced as ours, and had some really good results. Then my best friend and business partner, Steve Scalanka, came down with prostate cancer. he found out he had prostate cancer on a on a simple PSA test similar to what we offer here today. So, we kind of came together with the mission that, hey, let's go out and test all our friends and family, see who else is potentially in jeopardy. And since we found probably 10 guys, we had to send the urologist who've gotten ahead of their their their prostate cancer. Um, but it's becoming more and more prevalent in people at younger, you know, men at younger ages. So, we kind of made that our mission to uh to help as many people as we can while qualifying them for the treatments that we offer. So, it was a it was a nice twofold approach and we've since grown the the business to about 600 active patients. We were just ranked the number one medical clinic in Tempe this year by business rate and I'm um in the process of accepting a TRT uh company of the year award with another another magazine. So, we've we've come a long way in the last eight years. Uh we now have a an MD who's licensed in 48 states. So we can work in just about everywhere in the country with teleaalth. So we can have a nice conversation, send you to lab core or send somebody to you to draw your labs and then put you on with the doc. Once he's done, we get a plan of care and and then you know we we try to make our be best recommendations for treatment and you know people come in a little bit broken sometimes. We try to fix them up and send them home with a smile and staying on the dirt a little bit the right side of the dirt a little bit longer.

Nicki Benvenuti:3:14
And that's fantastic. Wow. I mean, with tele medicine and being able to reach 48 different states. Um, that's fantastic. Um, just can't I can't imagine what that'll do for your business and um and you know, patients all over the country you can help.

Jim Nance:3:27
Yeah, we were we were excited to bring u Dr. Rice on. He's been an amazing addition to the to the group over here. And you know, it's just it's hard when you're a smaller practice and you only have one or two states and you have friends, family, and people reach out through, you know, the internet or online and want to work with you, and you can't. So, that's something we've picked up over the last few years is trying to widen that that footprint so we can help more people. And that that footprint is wided into other other products, too. I'll give you an example. We just went to the SSRP. It's a peptide convention here in Arizona and picked up the ability to do genetic testing. So now we can check a couple hundred biomarkers and once the results come back, they go through an AI where they make recommendations for both supplements and peptides, which is pretty cool. So pretty targeted responses. So you know, you come in with with symptoms that have been manifested from a biological breakdown. It's it's one thing to be reactive and treat those, but it's another to to have a nice laundry list of things you can do so you don't get symptoms so you aren't on your halfway to chronic illness when when you start to make those make those changes. So that's a big part of what we do here is guide people through their just through their daily routine and habits and try to make recommendations that help with things like I said like that insulin resistance and you know if you if you eat the wrong things at the wrong time your body won't be able to process any of the sugar out of your bloodstream all day long and then you got people swimming upstream trying to do all these really really hard things to get right when they could have just made one small adjustment in the morning an eight protein versus a carbohydrate first thing and not completely blown out their insulin resistance for the day. And people have these habits. They do it every day. So, it's, you know, it's these little these little things that really make a big impact over time.

Nicki Benvenuti:5:24
Oh, absolutely. It's all about the daily habits. And you mentioned um guiding people through um you know, these processes. So, a lot of our listeners are entrepreneurs, business owners um you know um you know, high power digital marketers. Tell me about um some of the um you know like best um you know peptides or um you know tweaks that people can make to their lifestyle to continue to be high performers.

Jim Nance:5:46
Well the fir the first thing is the is the upfront analysis right? So you want to know what you know best case scenario not everyone gets blood work done but best case scenario you get blood work done which gives us a real gauge of what you got going on from the inside out so we can know at least from that perspective what you need. And then I talk to people about their goals. So if you're local, I've got a diagnostic scale I put you on when you come in the office. Does full body comp. It's called a it's a Hume Health scale. It's really it's only uh only cost us a few hundred bucks, but it's a very effective tool. Now I don't you know sometimes the body fat might be a little bit off by a by a point or two, but it's a great baseline. So I'm not really as interested in what your body fat percentage is, but I am super interested in what it was before we got started. And then in six to eight weeks when you come back and check back in with me again to see how effective the medications have been. So you know you get somebody who's trying to lose weight and they go on you know let's just let's just start with semaglutide. So the most widely used peptide in the history of mankind is semaglutide or ompic. So if someone goes on this medication and they lose their appetite they stop eating. you know, if they're not taking a protein supplement and if they're not doing some resistance training, they might be losing weight, but are they losing the weight they want to lose? So, that scale does a great job of saying, "Hey, just because you, you know, if you come into my office and let's say you lost 20 pounds, you know, initially you're going to say, "Fantastic work. Nice job. You lost some weight." But if you get on that scale and it's all, if it's all muscle, that's horrific. It's not a win. That's a huge loss. Especially you as a female, it's a lot harder for you to put on 20 pounds of muscle. I mean, you don't look like you're very tall either. You know, you're probably I'm just guessing you're five 5 foot to 5'5, something like that. Just throwing it out there.

Nicki Benvenuti:7:38
I'm You're exactly right. I'm 5'4. I'm small. [laughter]

Jim Nance:7:38
So, if you lost 20 pounds of muscle, how long do you think it would take you to put that back on? Maybe a lifetime,

Nicki Benvenuti:7:44
right? And I run, too. So, I run like 35 45 miles a week. So, like Yeah. So, putting on muscles. Yeah, it definitely is uh

Jim Nance:7:47
very challenging.

Nicki Benvenuti:7:54
Yeah. Set me back six 12 months. Yes.

Jim Nance:7:58
Right. So when you start these protocols, the person who is administering the medication is doing you a huge disservice if he's not starting you with a protein supplement. So for example, I like perfect aminos. It's a Gary Brea product. Um gives you all your aminos for the day and naturally builds 30 grams of viable protein or the equivalent thereof in your stomach. So you can do intermittent fasting, start off with that protein supplementation, which like I made mentioned of earlier, it sets up your insulin resistance for the day. So now versus you having a sweet sugar snack or coffee or whatever, you're taking in pure um aminos, which is is basically aminos are chains of aminos or proteins. So that builds in your stomach and now um you could eat from that window of maybe 11 to six and the rest of the time you're intermittent fasting and you start off your day with resistance training. You set up your res your your your insulin sensitivity properly and then we don't you know we come off sugar and some of those artificial sweeteners and next thing you know that guy who thought he was innocently having a donut once a day or eating even oatmeal that sounds like a pretty nice little breakfast. have some oatmeal. You know, that's all that's carbohydrates. So, that's going to screw up your body's ability to process out of your sh the sugar out of your bloodstream the rest of the day. So, a lot of times it's education, but you know, and you know what you know, but you don't know what you don't know. I'm fortunately in the position where my whole job is to learn these things, right? So, I listen to all these doctors and I pull that information together and I present it to people like yourself who maybe not doesn't have the time, energy, or inclination to go listen to hundreds of hours of of the best doctors in the world talking about anti-aging and things like mitochondrial function and insulin resistance and you know, so that's the impact we try to have. So, it's like you talk about what peptides are are are the most popular. Well, that's that's number one. And then you had semiglutide 2.0 which is tzepatide or mjaro or zeppbound. So that's the next generation of that medication. So that hits three hunger switches instead of one. So both of them trigger an insulin release which helps again process that sugar out of your bloodstream over the course of the day. And so then everybody is is is going from you know a lot of people were taking the semaglutide now they're they're looking at turf hepatitis solution. And then third generation right around the corner is I think it's uh see the mercy Eli Lily is passing reatride right now through uh the FDA. They're getting ready to turn in their results and that'll be the next generation of medication that we'll be able to offer. And that's even, you know, has some longevity benefits, some anti-aging benefits. But these these GLP1s, twos, gipss, and gp3s are are going to be and they already are. They're they're resetting the way that we look at fat loss and and how do people stay in shape because if your you know if your thyroid is messed up, if your hormones are messed up, if your ensom resistance is through the roof, it's going to be very difficult for you to lose weight. But being able to tweak these things as you go, you can get buddy somebody in a position to uh again change just a couple little things, add the right the right peptide and talk about some some resistance training or running like you're doing and you can make uh make the world of difference in somebody's life who struggled for a very long time and just couldn't find their way with without the without the medication. Um and we and then we we talk a lot about uh detoxifying your body. So, if you're having these problems and the weight won't come off, you know, four to five days a week in the sauna, 165 degrees plus, uh, knocks down your chance of heart attack by 50%, stroke by 65%, but also does an amazing job of detoxifying your body. So, we carry up to a a plastic pencil in our brain from the polyester in our clothes, from the water bottles we drink out of. All those microlastics bleed into our skin. And if you're not sweating it out, you're not getting it out. So, you know, you're looking at, you know, diet, exercise, recovery, and and and detoxification. So, like, you know, we have a lot of younger people come in, but their hormones are messed up, and a lot of it's because their body's so toxified because they didn't, you know, they weren't grow eating organic growing up. Maybe their mom really liked fast food or whatever. you know, they got in some of these habits where they weren't eating the right food or drinking primarily out of water bottles and now they got all this plastic in their bloodstream and they've been wearing, you know, those those cute little Lululemon pants all the girls like are horrible for you.

Nicki Benvenuti:12:44
[laughter]

Jim Nance:12:44
You know, they make your butt look nice, but they don't do a great job of keeping you healthy. So, you know, it's just these types of things that we that we try to point out to people to to help them get where they get where they need to be and get the get the crap out of their body, get their system back operating effectively again.

Nicki Benvenuti:13:05
You mentioned that people are moving from semoglutides to a trazepatide um increasingly more. Why? Why would they do that?

Jim Nance:13:13
Well, there's a couple reasons. So, sometimes over time any medication you take starts to lose its efficacy. So you might have been on semiglutide for the first four to six months and all of a sudden you've plateaued. You can't lose weight anymore. So you switch you over to your zeppatide take you down in dose titrate you back up. Next thing you know you tricked your body into starting to lose weight again. That's one reason. Um I've taken both. So I'll give you an example. So two summers ago I took semaglutide. Well it really affected my mood. My stomach didn't feel great on it and I felt like I lost a little bit of my shine. I just wasn't I didn't have the energy. Just didn't feel great. So, I stayed on it for a very short period of time just cuz I want to lose a few pounds for the summer. And then next summer rolled around. I'm like, well, let's try let's try. Well, Tzepide was a lot more aggressive on the weight loss side, but it's it made it very hard for me to eat anything at all. So I I got real quickly to a point where I'd have two or three bites out of dinner and I'm like I can't eat. So you know there's just and everybody's physiology is just a little bit different. So that effect that semlutide had on meat didn't but it could be opposite for somebody else. So they might have there, you know, they might not feel as good on the one as they do on the other. So it gives people a second option. And the turepide has a has another functionality. It's a GLP1 and a GIP. So it does other things with your stomach that help with that weight loss process, but they work very similarly. But again, everyone's physiology is different. So you might not feel great on it and the other one might make it might be perfect for you.

Nicki Benvenuti:15:02
And you mentioned GLP versus GIP. For those who don't know, can can you distinguish those?

Jim Nance:15:02
Um, so, um, GLP1, let me let me pull up my, um, my definitions here so I don't I don't get this wrong. Um, it's a gluc glucagon like peptide. So, it's a receptor agonist. So, basically what it does is it regulates your blood sugar and slows down digestion. Um, and that's what signals to your brain that you're that you're full, right?

Nicki Benvenuti:15:41
Mhm.

Jim Nance:15:41
And then the GIP, it's a gastric inhibitory polyeptide. So, this is one that's a little bit more challenging. So, it's a it's a hormone that lives in your small intestine that stimulates your pancreas to release insulin. So you're working through different pathways to do very similar things. Um but you get the dual it's actually the the tzepites a triple agonist. So it it hits three hunger switches. You have the GLP1 and the GIP effect. So

Jim Nance:16:12
so there you go.

Nicki Benvenuti:16:12
Okay.

Nicki Benvenuti:16:12
Pretty interesting stuff. And people

Nicki Benvenuti:16:19
and people who listen to our channel are probably very interested in um not only u peptides for weight loss but probably also for um anti-aging and performance. Can you tell us things about peptides for anti-aging and performance?

Jim Nance:16:31
Yeah, so one of the, you know, one that isn't FDA approved yet, but I believe we'll go on a compound list here shortly, is epylon. So your your um your your chromosomes have telomeres at the end. So every time they replicate that telomeir gets a little bit smaller. So there are things you can do to grow that telomeir back out. So one of which is hyperaric oxygen. But this specific peptide um you know in in research cases primarily with animals but I think they'll find that it it works well in humans too uh once the clinical trials go through but it's going to um extend that cellular life. So when that cellular life when that when that um that little end of your chromosome gets smaller eventually what happens is your cell loses the ability to replicate. So it turns into a it dies or turns into a zombie cell and these zombie cells just suck energy, suck ATP out of your body without performing any type of task. So and these can formed into cancer cells and do other things. So it's when fasting really helps to to get rid of some of those guys. Um and then NAD+ for example, so your body uses NAD to make ATP over time, especially I'm 51 years old. By the time you're 50, your body makes not nearly as much NAD as it once did. So without that energy, your body has a real time a real hard time recovering and repairing. So it makes it uh makes it really tough when your body can't detoxify itself and and you don't have the cellular energy. So, you know, you get these people who are my age a lot of times who have a real real trouble getting out of bed and they can't, you know, and then their brain slows down because that same energy is used to to power your central nervous system, you know, the big guy up top. So, um, that's that's another one. So, if you can keep your NAD levels high and, you know, you can take a a supplement called NMN, which is the precursor. So, that'll allow your body to make more NAD naturally or supplement your body with NAD. you'll you'll actually um you know per again per clinical trials and and and research that you it slows down the the aging process considerably. So now your body performs better and then um the other the other piece to this is so what you'll see this from a guy named Dr. David Sinclair is coming out with all these new studies on on aging. So they're basically saying that when your cell replicates, a little bit of your genetic code gets lost in every replication and that's why your body's aging. So we've always viewed aging in the past as like the the your your car tires wearing out or the transmission going out in your car and your body just wearing out over time. That's not that's not the case. So your genetic code is becoming weaker and weaker and you're having mitochondrial function, mitochondrial damage, which again is is not allowing your your your genetic code to carry through when your cell replicates. So um they just started clinical trials to reverse age of eyes in humans through a a drug called ER 100. So it's first human anti-aging protocols. the FDA is finally acknowledging aging as a disease versus um just something that that happens and we have to deal with. So this doctor that your Dr. David Sinclair is a Harvard specialist who or Harvard uh professor who has reversed ages of primates mice um they take your they'll take your cell they can they can make a little brain out of it. They can age it out, give it dementia, give it this genetic code reset OS and K genes, these homamanto genes, and it reverses the age back to what they were up to 75% of of the uh the age. So, there's going to come a time in 5 to 10 years where we don't we may, you know, might be offered commercially. We we might not have to get old. So, and they said they think they can do it two or three times. So right now it looks likeund I think 128 is like the cap they say that people can live. They think that you know potentially we might be able to push into you know 200 years or 250 years depending on how these trials go. So, the the world of the the anti-aging community and and the physicians and people in the space are really um eyeing these these clinical trials closely because it could change everything. So, you know, they're starting with the eye. So they're they they're putting these these genes in your eye for people who are blind who have glaucoma and it reverses the age of the eye and grows that retinal nerve, takes the pressure off the eye and that's what causes the glaucoma is the pressure in your eye. And they're saying that I saw him thing on it last night saying the trials are going really well. So that guy's like 57. He looks like he's 35. I'm pretty sure he's already doing it. [laughter] I'm like I watch it like you can't have the solution for aging until you haven't given yourself that shot yet, buddy. But uh

Nicki Benvenuti:21:55
[laughter]

Jim Nance:21:55
but that's very cool. So yeah, I think you're going to see that a lot of the disease that we have comes from your your mitochondrial function issues and then the breaking down of your genetic um information and the they reset that with those and OSNK genes. So they'll be able to it's kind of like u you know you get your laptop out it's got a virus you take it in they take the system reboot they take it back to the original hardware press the button and and then over the course of uh they said six weeks go back

Jim Nance:22:28
yeah so so check him out Dr. David Sinclair and he's got a really good uh he's got a great podcast himself. Um so he gives a lot of good tips on on on how to fight off aging.

Nicki Benvenuti:22:47
That's fantastic. Well, I'm not surprised they started with the eyes. They always say that like the eyes are the window to the soul, but um the eyes are actually like the only visible part of the brain. So

Jim Nance:22:49
[laughter]

Nicki Benvenuti:22:49
yeah, it's kind of funny.

Jim Nance:22:57
Interesting say that it's the visible part of the brain.

Nicki Benvenuti:23:01
So makes sense that they would start with that. So, I guess that leads into like, you know, I was going to ask you like, you know, what are you seeing right now that people should be paying more attention to, but I think, you know, you're kind of getting into that. Is there anything else that you're seeing?

Jim Nance:23:13
Yeah, I would say um well, I'm watching these clinicals or I'm watching the FDA really closely this week to see which peptides are still going to be u on the band list and which what what pharmacies will be able to go ahead and start um producing again. But I think um eating real food would probably be the first obvious help that I would give to anybody. If it it doesn't come out of the ground, you probably shouldn't eat it. You know, you you start baking things and adding sugar and and um it's just does horrific things to your body that the it's the unintended consequences of having a a little snack. And then, you know, just stay staying hydrated. Um supplementation, another quick easy one is creatine. So, you're uh if you take a 5 MG dose, it'll volumize your muscles, but a 20 mg dose breaks the bloodb brain barrier. And it's the only thing they've seen that's clinically effective to um for for not sleeping. So, if you had a night where you didn't sleep much at all, let's say you only got a couple hours in, you're tossing and turning, your brain will work better on creatine without the sleep than it does without creatine with the sleep. And it worked especially well with females. So,

Nicki Benvenuti:24:35
really

Jim Nance:24:35
20 mg dose creatine. Another easy fix.

Nicki Benvenuti:24:41
My running coach made me get a bunch of creatine and like I thought and I thought it was just like I didn't like the water weight, you know, and I just thought, you know, but uh I'm very tired today. So

Nicki Benvenuti:24:48
[laughter]

Jim Nance:24:48
yeah, when you get done here, try it. Four scoops four times. I'll get you. And then I think the the sun is another easy one, too. So it's like Okay.

Jim Nance:25:04
It it works your cardiovascular really well. So, it's like doing light cardio and it's it's enjoyable once you get used to it. So, you sweat everything out, detoxify. Again, I think I already mentioned it's, you know, it cuts your chances of heart attack and stroke down dramatically. So, it's a it's an easy um habit you can get into. And if you So, I like to end my workouts with with some cardio and then I go into the sauna. So, if I can get 20 minutes of cardio, then 20 minutes of sauna, it's like I'm getting 40 minutes of cardio with only doing 20 minutes of the work. And I'm also I'm 6'4 245 pounds. So me running is it's hard. You know, it's a lot of wear and tear on my knees. So I want to get as much out of the cardio that I do because I don't want to put my joints through hours of of torment. I just, you know, I like to get as as much, you know, like a hit style workout as possible. So I'll run, so if I'm on a treadmill, I'll run for a minute or two, get my heart rate up. I'll come down. So that's when you burn the most calories when you're going up and down, when your heart rate is. And then um and then get a wearable like I got this Aura ring and that that Hume Health scale. That's a big one. It's like 330 bucks. This thing was about the same. But they both dial into your your apps in your phone. So I I can tell you I slept six hours and 15 minutes last night. I got about an hour and 20 minutes of REM sleep, you know. So, so I'm able to watch all these things closely and make sure I got enough calories and it'll also I can just take a snapshot of my food and that's Aura the app will tell you exactly well it does its best. It's not going to say I wouldn't say exactly but it'll tell you how many calories are in it, whether it was a good choice, you know, the upside, the downside. So now I can get a daily tracking on every all these biioarkers to watch

Jim Nance:26:55
to um make sure I stay on top of my my regimen. And for me it's especially important because you know I sit in front of people every day. So I have anywhere from you have 600 active patients about. So we have a lot of people come through the office. So I feel like I have to set the example. I have to look a certain way. I have to do things the right way. um just to say, "Look, I walk the walk, you know, as well as talk the talk." And if you want to look better than me, let's let's let's go headtohead, you know, and then when you come in here and you're doing great, I'm going to give you a pep talk and tell you how great you're doing, if the scale says the wrong thing, we're going to dive in and find out what you're doing wrong. and I'll get, you know, might to knock you down a little bit, but I, you know, we pick people back up on the way out and try to give them a little motivation to to to get back on track. So, you know, you guys, it's a a little different with the men than the women, but you I can be a little I can be a little harder on the men. I feel like, you know, I don't can't beat up the women too much. you know, they get a lot more sensitive a lot of times. But with the guys, I can really get on them and and um you know, try to drive in drive in the the results we're looking for. But I think the but the women that do come to us are very motivated. So they they work hard, man. Women and they I think they realize over time that they almost have to work a little bit harder to get the same results as the men in the gym. So when they hit my desk, they're they're usually pretty fired up to make a change. And you know cuz you know there's nothing worse than going to the gym and you see the same people on the same machine who never seem to change and you just I just kind of feel bad for him like you just you're on that bike an hour every day. I watch you do it.

Nicki Benvenuti:28:45
[laughter]

Jim Nance:28:45
You still you still look the same. So, that's what I really get uh get a lot of kick out of is is is being that difference maker to to help them make those changes or at least give them the education so they know that what the path that they're on is wrong or or potentially some, you know, changes they can make to get it right.

Nicki Benvenuti:29:10
Absolutely. So you said get it right and like you know what are some things that people are coming to you and doing wrong especially people who are type A and you know like you know really um you know trying to be on top of their routines and being the best they can in every aspect of their lives. Like what are you still seeing that they're doing wrong?

Jim Nance:29:25
So I'll give you an example. So I had a I had a new patient and yesterday he's been eating oatmeal every morning first thing for years and that's just a carbohydrate. So, and then he'll put a little cinnamon and sugar in there. And next thing you know, he's he's carrying an extra 40 pounds and has no idea why, but he is his insulin resistance is is horrific right now because his body's addicted to sugar and eating sugar first thing and it doesn't spend any time getting that sugar out of his bloodstream the rest of the day. So that's that was uh one one real easy fix for him was was uh let's start with the protein and then um his uh his his sleep was impacted. So resetting your circadium rhythm. So especially older guys as our as our testosterone gets low we have a lot of trouble sleeping. So what you can do is if you go to sleep at the same time every night or try to go to get in bed the same time every night you train your body that this is the time we go to bed and we get up in the morning we try to see fresh sunlight and if you can do 10 minutes great um but get some sunlight in your face and that tells your body this is when we get up. So then you get that fundamental routine of this is when I go to bed, this is when I get up. So that sets your circadian rhythm so that you're basically training yourself how to how to get to sleep at night. And there's some other little little sleep tricks you can do like move your eyes back and forth in your head and do little circles back and forth and kind of cross them. You do like a little eye workout. It'll wear your wear your brain out a little bit to to put you down, put you to sleep. So for him it was um he was working out, he was doing the the right things in the gym, but his his diet needed to be adjusted slightly and he's having trouble sleeping. So he tried the the eye trick last or was Thursday night and it worked really well for him. He said he slept like a baby. So he we he also he put him on serarellin another another peptide. So surarelin spikes your pituitary gland to make more human growth hormone when you sleep. So he's trying to repair a joint. So great for putting on muscle and also repairing joints. So now while you're you take it before you go to bed on an empty stomach. Again, he's trying to trying to get him to eat before 6 or seven to to eat in that window. That way all the foods out of his stomach by 10:00 when he's supposed to go to bed at night. He takes the serarellin. Now he's making all this human growth hormone when he sleeps. So it ramps it up like three times over. And he's man he's like, "Man, I slept like a rock last night." Oh my god. Yes.

Nicki Benvenuti:32:02
That's awesome.

Jim Nance:32:02
Fantastic.

Nicki Benvenuti:32:09
Yes. So, smearillan I and do you know like and anything about like the physiology of why doing those eye circles might make it easier to fall asleep or

Jim Nance:32:16
you know it was uh it was it was it was Huberman and so uh Huberman lab. So I think it's just an overactive mind. You start to ruminate on things. So it just gets your mind off of whatever other stupid stuff you're thinking about is or you know whatever whatever you can't only

Nicki Benvenuti:32:35
comes in the middle of the night. Yes.

Jim Nance:32:41
Right. [laughter] That little bad guy over here going why'd you do that or why'd he say that or you should have said this or what's going on tomorrow. You know little dude talking in your ear chatting you up when you're trying to sleep at night. Yeah. [laughter] Puts in the inner

Nicki Benvenuti:32:54
voice. Yes.

Jim Nance:32:54
The inner dialogue. Yes.

Nicki Benvenuti:32:54
Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, what else should people know about your practice and um, how to reach you?

Jim Nance:33:06
Well, I would say know that you just because you don't feel all that off doesn't mean you might not have a hormone issue that's that's leading you [clears throat] to chronic illness. So, getting labs, I would recommend for anybody over 21 years old, just so you have a starting point and like the PSA thing. So if you have an an elevated PSA, you wouldn't know it. So there's there's really not a side effect other than you might, you know, if your guys are urinating, they might have some issues at the end with some leakage or something like that. But it's hard to say. It's hard to tell you have prostate cancer because it doesn't manifest itself and really doesn't do anything to your body while it's in the walls of the prostate. But as soon as it leaves the walls of the prostate, hits your bloodstream, number one killer in men. So you you take a lot of those types of potential downside off the table by knowing where your hormone levels are at. And then everybody and then the sauna, everyone can benefit from the sauna. So even if you don't if you don't like to get all that active, if you can get your butt in a sauna four days a week and just sit there and sweat it out again, you have these huge health benefits. And people have been doing this for hundreds of years, so it's not like this is some new technology, you know.

Nicki Benvenuti:34:27
Yeah,

Jim Nance:34:27
but it is something that a lot of people don't do that they could really benefit from greatly. So to get a hold of us, um, go to our website, msvitality.com, fill out a medical history form. It's right on the top of the page. Um, there's a popup there as well for a free consult so you can talk to me at any point. Um, and then once we get that medical history form, we can order labs for you. I'll call you when it comes in personally and talk you through whether or not labs are appropriate for what you want to do, your situation. And if it is, we get those ordered for you. It's 225 for men, 325 for women. That includes the consult. So, as soon as you get those labs back, we put you on the phone with the doc, tellahalth. It reads everything, goes over it with you. We get you a copy of the labs. He gives us a plan of care, and then you can come in or we can drop ship to you just about anywhere in the country. So, yeah. So that's kind of the kind of the process is medical history form labs or consult and then then you come back to me and I talk to you about what the doctor talked about. We go over his recommendations. Then you can place your order for treatment.

Nicki Benvenuti:35:35
That's fantastic. That doesn't get any easier than that.

Jim Nance:35:39
Try to simplify it because people don't like to make changes in their life anyway. So, you know, try to try to make the path as easy as possible before I throw a bunch of friction in front of you when we get started to get you stronger and better.

Nicki Benvenuti:35:47
One less thing to worry about. Absolutely.

Jim Nance:35:55
There you go.

Nicki Benvenuti:35:55
Thank you for your time, Jim.

Jim Nance:35:58
Yeah, no problem. Or you can call us 6026365000. It was great to talk to you, Nicki. I appreciate it. Thank you for the questions and look forward to speaking to you again.